accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:57 pm
by WaiexN143NM
Hi all,
Accident at harvey young airport, tulsa ok.
Pics say moni on fuse., narrative says waiex.
n number hard to see.
dramatic video, use caution. aircraft looks inverted. straight down impact.
lets tip our hat to him/her.
rushed to hospital. serious condition.
WaiexN143NM
Michael
sbpf board member
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:16 am
by daleandee
Amazing that the pilot has survived a crash like this …
Direct Link: http://www.kathrynsreport.com/search?q=N983JV
accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:30 am
by Carlos Trigo
Good lord.
That is a frightening example of a nose landing…
It’s indeed unbelievable how the pilot survived to so many G’s
Hope he recovers
Carlos
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:00 am
by WaiexN143NM
Hi all,
Researching online data and reports. Pilot has a head injury. airport is 8 mi east of tulsa. appears to have departed rwy 17 2580 ft length. crashed into church parking lot , approx 1/4 mi due south of dept end of runway. witnesses say plane struggled to get into the air. possible stall/spin.
trying to ascertain a n number. does anyone recognize or know this plane?
best to the pilot.
WaiexN143NM
Michael
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:28 pm
by N111YX
That’s a Moni. I don’t see any reference to a Waiex.
Indeed tough to watch.
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:59 pm
by WaiexN143NM
Hi all, kip,
the origional post on kathrynsreport yesterday , had no n number, but the narrative used waiex.
the origional post has been removed. it is reposted on kathrynsreport again today, with a n number N983JV.
built in 1986 and was registered to jim ownb(e)y. meridan. idaho. this registration on the faa registery shows it de registered. 9/17/2013.
if someone could post a direct link to today sept 7 kathrynsreport would be appreciated.
possibly sold, new owner in tulsa ok. ?
i remember seeing this plane, the paint scheme. maybe barnstormers? maybe at airventure.
dont know the engine mounted.
yes its hard to watch
again godspeed to this pilot.
WaiexN143NM
Michael
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:23 pm
by WaiexN143NM
hi all,
interesting comments at end of article on kathrynsreport.
im not posting them due to them not verified.
but none the less interesting.
follow the rules
get help
use the eaa programs
flight advisor
build lookover
tech counselors
be successful, esp. first flights!
keeping the accident rate down , will help the insurance problems.
fly safe out there.
WaiexN143NM
Michael
retired FAA
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:24 pm
by skyrangernz
Hi,
How’s this for frightening. Our club plane with instructor Achilles tendon damage, student broken wrist. walked away. No cockpit left.
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:34 pm
by GraemeSmith
WaiexN143NM wrote:built in 1986 and was registered to jim ownb(e)y. meridan. idaho. this registration on the faa registery shows it de registered. 9/17/2013.
Agreed - that’s what the registry says. But I suppose that it may have JUST sold and the bill of sale and new registration paperwork was mailed to the FAA. Then it’s legal to fly.
Checking the FAA website - they say the registration branch is dealing with paperwork 23 June 2021 and EARLIER. So it might just be a case of paperwork catching up.
Any yes - it’s a MONI not a Waiex (they have a similar V tail)
–
That said - if that is the case, and the plane had not flow in in 8 (?) years and it was a new plane to the owner - I can see that could be a whole can of worms right there.
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:45 pm
by WaiexN143NM
hi all,
yes graeme, thats a possibility, i mentioned yesterday in a post, new owner in tulsa. and yes due to covid and staffing at the sprawling faa campus at the mike m. aero center in OKC , the new registration could be delayed.
the campus adjoins the okc will rodgers airport. all faa job specific training conducted there. along with cami the aeromedical branch, a/c cert and registration, terps ( airspace design , approach/ dept plates, software for atc facilities radar and twr .) classes for atc, tech ops, fsdo.
in the narrative on KR the first day sept 6 , they mentioned moni and waiex, but was clearly a moni, infact moni
is on the side of fuselage. KR corrected their post on sept 7 and included a n number.
The commenter on the end of article claims to be concerned about the pilots qualifications, currency, aircraft weight and balance. not sure what engine is installed.
The facts will all come out in the wash. Again , i sure hope people learn from others mistakes. and as always
its usually not just one thing, but a series of events , in the right order, to cause a catastrophe.
wishing the pilot a speedy recovery.
and yes graeme my fingers crossed the registration is in the mail.
WaiexN143NM
Michael
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:53 pm
by Bryan Cotton
WaiexN143NM wrote:wishing the pilot a speedy recovery.
WaiexN143NM
Michael
The comments were painful to read in general. Lots wrong there. They also say the pilot died after surgery.
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:22 pm
by WaiexN143NM
Hi bryan , all,
Yes i saw that too. i didnt want to say it because i couldnt confirm it.
michael.
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:14 pm
by radfordc
Pilot reported to not have any licence, no training, no airworthiness cert, plane out of CG, etc.
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:46 pm
by WaiexN143NM
Hi all,
Thanks charlie for posting this. Not sure if juan browne has something out yet too. will look.
Thanks to Dan gryder for this report.
Very sad indeed. eric mcCray 41. yes confirmed he died.
dans report shows the aircraft back to airport and hangar. very graphic.
We can only do so much. as mr g did at 1H6 a few hangars down. Did Mr eric mcray think this was an ultralite?
didnt need a license? dont know his knowledge level in aviation.
Sadly i see more and more of this everyday. its even up into the turboprop and bizjet ops too.
lack of current medical.
type rating
currency
aircraft in annual/ condition inspection
ifr currency
ifr aircraft checks
biannual
insurance
registration
WaiexN143NM
Michael.
accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:10 am
by Carlos Trigo
radfordc wrote:Pilot reported to not have any licence, no training, no airworthiness cert, plane out of CG, etc.
How do they know that this aircraft is “out of CG”?
Just for being an homebuilt airplane that he doesn’t even know the correct name of it?
accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:21 am
by Carlos Trigo
I don’t know who this Dan Gryder is, and what is his knowledge about aviation, especially light and home built aircraft, but being a “youtuber “ certainly isn’t the right credentials….
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:31 am
by XenosN42
Carlos Trigo wrote:How do they know that this aircraft is “out of CG”? Just for being an homebuilt airplane that he doesn’t even know the correct name of it?
In the YouTube video Mr. Gryder refers to a Mr. G who has a hanger at that airport and spoke to the pilot who died. The following is a post by Mr. G. on Kathryn’s Report
Unlicensed pilot. Was doing high-speed runs last week without lifting off. Advised him about the importance of balance on that shortly-coupled airframe, yet it was not ascertained physically, or on paper. He walked around, lifted the Vtail up on the belly wheel…I’ve tried to explain C.G. location, and the wheel is NOT the C.G. . His departure stall occurred a mere few hundred feet beyond the end of the runway . MAIDEN FLIGHT for an untrained pilot.
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:33 am
by Matt541
Carlos Trigo wrote:I don’t know who this Dan Gryder is, and what is his knowledge about aviation, especially light and home built aircraft, but being a “youtuber “ certainly isn’t the right credentials….
Ahem…
From his site:
Screenshot 2021-09-10 113208.png (189.57 KiB) Viewed 3701 times
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:13 pm
by Bryan Cotton
It seems he knows nothing about experimental aviation though, based on his original comments vs what he read off of Kathryn’s report. That was my impression.
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:30 pm
by WaiexN143NM
Hi all,
Thanks michael and matt.
FYI- i emailed katherynsreport sept 6 to inform them it was a moni not a waiex as their narrative stated.
they corrected their post the next day. with a n number, but not sure if that registration is still valid, up to date.
Dan is a well know figure. his credentials back up his name. yes maybe before making the video should have done more research on the correct name and model. and disparaging experimentals or homebuilts not good. most of the innovation
in aviation lately has come out of the homebuilt sector, which has filtered over into production aircraft.
RIP Mr Eric McCray
an avoidible tragedy
michael.
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:52 pm
by GraemeSmith
Matt541 wrote:
Carlos Trigo wrote:I don’t know who this Dan Gryder is, and what is his knowledge about aviation, especially light and home built aircraft, but being a “youtuber “ certainly isn’t the right credentials….
Ahem…
From his site:
Screenshot 2021-09-10 113208.png
Dan Gryder - you either like his point of view or don’t. He lost his job over this incident:
https://www.avweb.com/news/pilot-arrest … -incident/
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=m … 8dc055ec22
His MO seems to be to question a lot of NTSB probable causes.
Some people like that and some don’t.
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:53 pm
by Direct C51
Google Dan Gryder. There is a lot more than “credentials” to his name. Arrests, suspensions, crashes, questionable journalism, etc come to mind. If you can’t even be bothered to verify the difference between a Mini-max and a Moni, maybe you shouldn’t be speculating on the cause of a crash as any sort of authority.
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:37 pm
by Bryan Cotton
Interesting. I guess my hunch was right. I had done a “don’t recommend channel” after watching the YT video and I think that was the right move! So I guess I don’t like his POV.
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:45 pm
by WaiexN143NM
hi all,
thanks graeme and directc51.
i had never heard of his behaviour. wow. disappointing to say the least.
i wont be following or posting his videos or comments in the future.
i’m with you brian.
i googled dans name
lots to read
www.pilotsofamerica.com
WOW a soap opera in Ga.
michael.
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:37 pm
by Matt541
My point was simply that he was more than just a Youtuber. I honestly haven’t followed his channel directly, but am aware of him from his appearances on other channels, including people I know outside of YT. Thanks Graeme and others who posted additional info.
On top of that, I hadn’t watched his full video yet, it was in my “Watch Later” as I was working on another Sonex interview segment. Yup, should probably do a bit more research before hitting that REC button… (or “Post Reply” button lol)
I’m a small ‘Tuber and yet have been asked on occasion to share my thoughts regarding certain aviation incidents. All of which I have flat out said NO to. In fact, my last response to one was, "I wouldn’t touch it with a 20’ pole." I don’t believe I’m qualified to weigh in on a tragic event like this. And that’s the worst part of it, the grieving of whoever is left behind.
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:55 pm
by GraemeSmith
Matt541 wrote:I don’t believe I’m qualified to weigh in on a tragic event like this.
But you are a pilot - so ALL non-pilots want to know EXACTLY what YOU think happened. Because you WILL know.
Believe me - when MH370 disappeared - I can’t tell you the number of folks who were SURE I would know where it was.
Re: accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:53 pm
by WaiexN143NM
Hi all,
Just want to correct dan gryders video. he stated the pilot was 28. The pilot was 41.
Correct name is Eric Calvin McCray.
services were sat sept 11 oaklahoma city.
you can google to read the obit.
RIP.
michael.
accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:33 pm
by Carlos Trigo
WaiexN143NM wrote:Hi all,
Just want to correct dan gryders video. he stated the pilot was 28. The pilot was 41.
Correct name is Eric Calvin McCray.
services were sat sept 11 oaklahoma city.
you can google to read the obit.
RIP.michael.
So this Dan Gryder failed in too many details, the pilot’s name and age, the airplane type and model and so on.
How can he dare to indicate “probable causes” if he doesn’t know how to deal with simple information?…
I knew it since I view the video for the first video.
Well, the only thing to say, in this case, is indeed
RIP
accident 1H6 tulsa ok.
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:47 pm
by Carlos Trigo
Carlos Trigo wrote:
WaiexN143NM wrote:Hi all,
Just want to correct dan gryders video. he stated the pilot was 28. The pilot was 41.
Correct name is Eric Calvin McCray.
services were sat sept 11 oaklahoma city.
you can google to read the obit.
RIP.michael.
So this Dan Gryder failed in too many details, the pilot’s name and age, the airplane type and model and so on.
How can he dare to indicate “probable causes” if he doesn’t know how to deal with simple information?…
I knew it since I view the video for the first video.Well, the only thing to say, in this case, is indeed
RIP
… for the first time
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